from Ajamu Baraka [ajamubaraka2@gmail.com ]

Thank you Dr. Ansari for your comments which are right on the money.   This conversation reminds of something that Glen Ford said regarding how this Obama thing as resulted in “Black”folks going stone cold crazy. The need to identify with the “American” project and see oneself as fellow citizen by embracing and utilizing a lens on the world informed by all of the assumptions and presuppositions of white supremacy ideology is leading to the emergence of a conservatism in the African American community that is as irrational and politically backward than anything that we have ever witnessed or experience in this country.  If this boot licking, errand boy for imperialism was a white boy president who attempted to stop President Aristide from returning to Haiti, who murdered an US citizen without trial, sold the people out to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies on health care; did not include any targeted resources in his stimulus package to attack the astronomical unemployment rates in the African American, Latino and Native communities; attacked an Africa nation – Libya; turned his back on the people of Honduras by giving support to anti-people coup; extended the Bush tax cuts to the rich, blocked the investigation of torture under the bush regime – and the list could on. If this was a white boy, we would be in full resistance mold and no one with any credibility would give verbal or political support to the white boy. But because this  sophisticated water boy for massa is supposed to be “Black,”  Black folks who crave white validation, who need white affirmation of their humanity, who have for all intents and purposes become “American,” find ways to explain away his reactionary positions and brand critics if this administration as “haters”” or unsophisticated in the ways of the white world and white power.  Because for  these folks, Obama represents all that they strive for and all that they will die for as represented by their contorted attempts at justifying US imperialist adventures in various parts of the world where our young people die for this criminal enterprise call the United States of America.

For those of us who still believe and struggle for a new reality, who believe in the transformative power of a conscious and organized people, it is starting to become quite obvious that the real terms of struggle might transcend the simple and familiar  categories of haves versus have nots -  but will require us having to identify and struggle against all who support the Empire, Black, white or whatever -  as the enemy of progress and humanity.

Ajamu Baraka(Ajamu Baraka has been Executive Director of the US Human Rights Network since its inception in 2003. Under Baraka, the Network has grown exponentially to meet the increasing demand for its services and programs and now comprises more than 300 U.S.-based member organizations and more than 1,500 individuals working on the full spectrum of human rights issues.A human rights defender whose experience spans three decades of domestic and international education and activism, Baraka served in various leadership capacities with Amnesty International (USA) prior to assuming his current position. As AIUSA’s Southern Regional Director, he played a key role in developing the organization’s 1998 campaign to expose human rights violations in the United States. Baraka also directed Amnesty’s National Program to Abolish the Death Penalty.)

from Ronan Berkeley http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/ :Debs is saying, those wicked yanks are throwing the entire region into the hands of jihadi fanatics and we shall all be murdered in our beds. They are obscuring the actual covert alliance between Israel and the Sauds which is at the bottom of the whole thing – RB
 from jrswriter@comcast.net;

     You've raised questions about what I wrote but didn't provide any real answers. It is obvious to me you are a rabid apologist for Obama no matter what he does or doesn't do. But unlike so many others you cunningly try to use the race issue in these forums to excuse Obama by implying if he wasn't in office a white guy would do worse. You are correct, a white guy would do what white people have been doing to non-Europeans for the last five hundred plus years all around the world. Prior to the European expansion out into the world, their "leaders" abused and dogged their own people for thousands of years so what else is new? What's your point? Are you saying the system which was created by whites for whites isn't evil and that a black man in the White House somehow makes it better? I was at a meeting this past week and debated with men who refuse to see the immorality of what Obama is doing. They support him to the point of irrationality. They are enamored with Obama because he is "black". His blackness rather than his policies for them is the key.  I asked one man if Hitler had been black and he lived in Germany in the 1930's would he have supported him and he said yes. Need I say more?

     To keep this response short and simple; yes I have an opinion and yes I will attempt to share information others may not be privy to on these forums.  In the end it is my hope they will do some additional research, double check my facts, that they will think critically for themselves and come to their own conclusions. If you disagree or don't like my opinions that's your issue and not my concern. I certainly will not stop writing or broadcasting simply because you don't like what I write.  You question my motives, what are yours, to defend the indefensible? My motives are merely to offer another perspective. Again if you don't like it, that's your issue.

    This is not about right/left Democrat or Republican it is about an ongoing assault on Africa by the white West and their minions. Obama despite the pass you want to give him, is one of their minions just as many continental Africans are puppets for the IMF, World Bank and BIS cartels.

     I write about history because it is the prelude to the present and has a direct bearing on what we are experiencing today. Obama has not veered from the course of US imperialism, one Iota. In fact he has increased it along with the killing of thousands of innocent people in Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya as well as continuing the wars in Columbia, Iraq and Afghanistan. Imperialism is imperialism whether launched by a psychotic white man or a black surrogate who was given a "peace prize", as the recent history of African in Rwanda during the Clinton administration, the whole of Central Africa and Congo under Bu$h or what is going on now in the Horn of Africa under a "black" president proves. What difference does it make whether Africans get shafted by a white boy or by Obama they still are getting shafted? Please spare me the Orwellian spin that he is "saving African lives" I'm not the one for that.

    Since you question whether Obama is involved in arms shipments, what about US gunning running to the Mexican drug cartels, the so called Fast and Furious scandal that has implicated the Obama administration and his "black" Attorney General Eric Holder? That's something even Obama has admitted was a "mistake" now that it is coming to light. What's your spin on that?  This is the same Eric Holder who has not prosecuted one Wall Street banker, bond rating company or hedge fund head. How do you explain that?

     What's your explanation for the fact the class war and income gap is worse/wider under Obama than any time short of the early 1900's other than he inherited it from Bu$h? Roosevelt inherited a depression from Hoover but at least he attempted to do something about it. Obama just like Roosevelt came into office and had a Democratic House and Senate but he squandered the opportunity and did nothing for the people. (The insurance industry trade association actually wrote the Obama "health care" bill in case you want to give him credit for that. Guess who that legislation benefits? Oh, we won't know until 2014 wonder why they did it like that? )  What's your spin on the fact Obama appointed the very people to his cabinet who set the stage for the economic collapse during the Clinton administration or doesn't that history count  because it involves Democrats? Will the economic collapse be more tolerable for black folks because Obama is a black man and a Democrat rather than a white guy? Do the people who lost their jobs and homes the last two years feel better about it because Obama is in the White House as opposed to a white guy? Somehow I don't think so.  I could go on but you get my drift. Evil is evil no matter its skin color.  I hold a black man to a higher moral standard simply because he is not a European.

Junious Ricardo Stanton

From: McFad3@aol.com

Friends, it clear that the next President will either be a Democrat or a Republican!   It won't go to some 3rd party candidate.   We are black people alive at a time when America has it's first Black President and we aren't even willing to be fair to him!   When we hold him accountable for things that were in place years before he came to office or before he was born (black unemployment) were holding him to a standard that he can't possibly meet!  This is patently unfair and frankly it's what white folks have always done to us! 

He is President of America as it exist today!   He's not Dr. King!   Dr. King, Brother Malcolm and any great hero you can name never held an office and couldn't get elected to one. 

He may be as guilty as you say he is, but you know you don't know if he is.   Your simply offering an opinion.   I doubt that Obama speaks with you and I don't think you have access to all the intel he sees, so your opinion, to the extent it is informed at all, is informed by the history of lies and deceit of the white men who have held his office over the past 25 years!   If every decision he makes will be judged in light of the lack of credibility of those who came before him, how can he possibly satisfy you.   Is that fair to him?

mike    


Relevant Letter to InformationClearingHouse:thomas mcmahon · 16.11.2011
The simple answer of how an idiot can end up in the White House is as simple as placing blame where it is due. Right here on ICH. While the consistant slamming of Obama goes on unabated the only goal accomplished by the critiques laid here serve only to disinfranchise voters who voted for Obama before but now with the rhetoric laid out they may not vote for him again. Which in turn could concievably put Mitt Romney in the White House, who would serve industrial and military industrial complex's who are the ones of greatest danger to the United States at this time. So if you wish to have an idiot occupy the White House go right ahead and continue to berate President Obama and his policies. Which we may add have been watered down and destroyed by the GOP to the best of their abilities as exemplified by the health care reform bill and the financial reform bill both watered down with amendments by GOP lawmakers of whom never voted for those bills anyway as they added the amendmendments to make the bills weaker not stronger. The time has come for ICH to place blame where it is due, at the feet of the republican party. Do you think you're up to that challange??
Thomas McMahon
Millis Ma

two replies:
1,Thank you so much, Brother Thom McMahon! You have proven my hypothesis, that the reason all these intellectually impaired freaks are being presented as GOP candidates is to smooth the path to Four More Years of Obamism, thus four more years of the US being run by Netanyahu & Co.
Obama is not a stupid man, just an unscrupulous opportunist on the make, who has placed his bets on the Zionist vision. There is not another figure in US politics at this time who can do what Obama can do for Israel and ZioImperialist Full Spectrum Dominance of the entire globe..

If the GOP powerbrokers were serious about contesting this election, they'd have nominated a General with a chest full of ribbons. But the Straussian PNACkers have determined that even with Obama's unpopularity with the normal Demoratic base, he's the best one to take the blame for what they are going to order done next.

2.

Guest · 33 minutes ago

Yes! There is one man who stands apart from the entire crowd in Washington and that's Ron Paul!!

Ron Paul's Restore America Plan:

~ reduce the president’s salary from $400,000. to the average American worker’s salary of $39,336.
~ reduce the federal workforce by 10%.
` slash Congressional pay and perks, and curb excessive federal travel.
~ fully audit the Federal Reserve Bank.
~ introduce competing currencies to strengthen the dollar and stabilize inflation
~ cut $1 trillion in spending the first year: eliminate 5 Cabinet departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, & Education), abolish the TSA & return security to private property owners, abolish corporate subsidies, end foreign wars and nation building, stop foreign aid, and return spending to 2006 levels.
~ honor veteran’s benefits and social security for seniors while allowing young workers to opt out of social security.
~ block grant Medicaid and other programs to States to deliver assistance.
~ abolish the Death Tax and taxes on personal savings, making it easier for families to build a nest egg.
~ repeal ObamaCare and the Patriot Act.
~ end the war on drugs.
~ cancel all onerous Executive Orders.

As a Congressman, Ron Paul
~ has never taken a government junket.
~ does not participate in the lucrative Congressional pension program.
~ returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget every year.
~ has never voted to raise taxes.
~ has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
~ has never voted to restrict gun ownership.
~ has never voted to raise congressional pay
~ has never voted to increase Executive Branch power.
~ voted against regulating the Internet.
~ voted against the un-patriotic “Patriot Act”.
~ voted against the Iraq War & warns against undeclared wars. He supports a non-inter-ventionist foreign policy yet strong military.
~ serves on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and as Chairman of the Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy, initiated the first external audit of the Federal Reserve Bank since 1913.

I think all of the above proves the point that Ron Paul is The People's only choice!
www.RonPaul2012.com

By Agence France-Presse
Sunday, November 13, 2011

HONOLULU, Hawaii — A popular Hawaiian recording artist turned a top-security dinner of Pacific Rim leaders hosted by President Barack Obama into a subtle protest with a song in support of the “Occupy” movement.

Makana, who goes by one name, was enlisted to play a luau, or Hawaiian feast, Saturday night for leaders assembled in Obama’s birthplace Honolulu for an annual summit that is formulating plans for a Pacific free-trade pact. But in the midst of the dinner on the resort strip Waikiki Beach, he pulled open his jacket to reveal a T-shirt that read “Occupy with Aloha,” using the Hawaiian word whose various meanings include love and peace. He then sang a marathon version of his new song “We Are The Many.” “I was pretty nervous. In fact I was terrified. I kept thinking ‘what are the consequences going to be?’” Makana, 33, told AFP. “It was incredibly comical. I was terrified but also enjoying it,” he said.

Makana, who was born Matthew Swalinkavich, said the song prompted awkward stares from a few of those present but the Obamas appeared too absorbed with their guests to notice what was happening. The performance occurred at a dinner for summit participants from 21 economies around the Asia-Pacific, including Chinese President Hu Jintao and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, amid a security lockdown in Waikiki.

As Makana sang, about 400 protesters including anti-globalization and native Hawaiian rights activists staged a protest march toward the dinner site but turned back after encountering the smothering security. Makana released the song on the Internet the day before and decided to play it at the urging of fans, he said. Inspired by the anti-capitalist [sic] movement that began with the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrations in New York, it denounces Washington politicians, corporate greed and what he sees as an unfair American economic system.

The song features the refrain, “We’ll occupy the streets, we’ll occupy the courts, we’ll occupy the offices of you, till you do the bidding of the many, not the few.” He sang it “over and over” for 40 minutes, varying his tempo and delivery to avoid triggering an overt reaction. “Whenever I felt the heat might come down, I would ease off. It was a very careful procedure,” he said.

To watch a video of the song, go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq3BYw4xjxE

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